neues Browsergame ---- eure ideen sind gefragt!!!
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Was halltet ihr von Browsergames ich find sie ?belst gut vorallem ihre interaktivit?t
Au?erdem steh ich ?belst auf mittelalter und fantasieechtzeit....so bin ich auf die idee gekommen man k?nnte ja ein neues browsergame entwerfen
......aber so richtig f?llt mir nichts ein nat?rlich soll es kostenlos sein...aber es soll auch f?r leute die nciht gerne echtzeitstrategie spielen interesant wirken
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willst DU jetzt ein neues machen, oder wie? O.?
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das haben ein paar erfahren Programmierer zu Browsergames gesagt
Browsergame ?!? oder 7 einfache Schritte zum Gl?ck !
Du hast also von einem Kumpel o. ?. den Link zu einem neuen Browsergame bekommen, kurz reingeschaut und Dir gesagt, Mann, das will ich auch machen. HTML-Skills rausgekramt und festgestellt, dass die Dateien ja gar keine HTML-Dateien sind. Was heisst denn dieses PHP ? Google befragt und, schau an, auf dieser Seite hier gelandet. Geil, nen Forum, da kann man ja einfach mal unbedarft nachfragen. Schnell gepostet "hiich will ein brwsergame macen !!!!1111 was brauheich wollt ihr mi helfn". Und jetzt wunderst Du Dich, wieso Du zerissen wirst und ein Flame nach dem andern in Deinen Thread landet ?
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Beitrag ge?ndert am 22.06.2006 13:39 von newwarrior
Beitrag ge?ndert am 22.06.2006 13:59 von newwarrior -
Newwarrior zitier das gef?lligst! Wobei das auch kein Zitat mehr ist sondern dreistes abkopieren!
Das ist illegal und der Urheber kann dich daf?r strafrechtlich verfolgen. Also fass es entweder zusammen oder setz einen Link rein! -
Habe doch die Quelle angeben.
Also ist es zietieren, aber damit du zufierden bist s?tze ich es auch noch als Zitat -
ich finde es sehr interesant das irgendjemand hier reinkommt (newwarrior) und so tut als h?tte er schon millionen browsergames programmiert, obwohl, das ?berhaupt nicht meine Frage war
wig wollte ich nur von euch wissen was ihr von browsergames haltet
an alle mit noch mehr so "schlauen" kommentaren wie newwarrior....ihr k?nnt es bleiben lassen in mein Thread zu flamen
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Newwarrior zitier das gef?lligst! Wobei das auch kein Zitat mehr ist sondern dreistes abkopieren!
Das ist illegal und der Urheber kann dich daf?r strafrechtlich verfolgen. Also fass es entweder zusammen oder setz einen Link rein!
unten drunter steht doch eine Quellenangabe!!!
ich find aber auch, dass der Inhalt des (nichtmarkierten) Zitatss es auf den Kopftrifft!!!
tomsen-sunrise schrieb:
wig wollte ich nur von euch wissen was ihr von browsergames haltet
tja dann mach den titel nicht:
neues browsergame eure ideen sind gefragt neue
Beitrag ge?ndert am 22.06.2006 13:43 von clusedo -
Es sollte kein dummes Kommentar sein, ich wollte dir nur damit sagen, dass es nichts bringt, wenn du viel Arbeit in den Projekt steckst aber es dann nicht richtig vermarkten kannst.
Weil dann war alles programmieren umsonst und das macht nunmal keiner gerne.
ich finde es sehr interesant das irgendjemand hier reinkommt (newwarrior) und so tut als h?tte er schon millionen browsergames programmiert, obwohl, das ?berhaupt nicht meine Frage war
Nein habe ich nicht. Brauche ich aber nicht, weil es davon genug im Netz gibt.
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Hmm, ob das was bringt ihm das zu zeigen. Das ist genauso wie wenn sich jemand den Ausschnitt aus den Regeln zum erstellen einer Mod durchliest...
http://wiki.beyondunreal.com/wiki/Making_Mods/Why_Are_You_Making_A_Mod
Making Mods/Why Are You Making A Mod
Although the reasons that people make mods are many and varied they can be distilled down into a very few all encompassing groups discussed below.
What this page will hopefully do is allow you to take a step back and consider the following.
* Why you want to get where you want to get?
* How you are going to get where you want?
* Are you willing to get to where you want?
The last may seem counterintuitive but you have to ask it of yourself each day. Lots of modders do and find that they don't in fact want what they thought they did, thus we see the high "failure" rates. Lots of modders don't even ask these questions and lose their way. If you can face yourself and the answers to each and every one of these important questions, the odds are you will succeed.
(See also Mychaeel/Mod Startups for a similar rant.)
It's the Technical Challenge
There will always be a few people in the world that write mods simply because they can. These people will generally work alone and churn out small mutators and game mods by the bucket load. Their motivation is purely at a technical "how does this work", "Can I do this" level.
Quite often people like this will have many unfinished projects littered over their hard disk. The interesting stuff has been done but it's never been packaged up because something more interesting came along to look at. For these people, the doing is more important than finishing or releasing.
The Idea Seemed Like a Fun One
Most (hopefully) people want to write a mod becasue the idea itself seems like fun, and they know that they will play it. This is the best reason to write a mod in fact. If the mod is fun, and stays that way through the development process then your chances of success are good.
Some of these mods are small, some (like Chaos UT) are reasonably large and complex. The actual mod size is not important. It's the fun factor that counts. Mods written for "fun" mods only fail for two reasons. The first is that the mod wasn't fun when implemented. The second is that the team collapsed (normalling an indication of the first but not always)
I Want to Learn To Program
Some people write mods because they see it as a way of learning to program. As such a mod can be a fun way to "dip the toe" into the world of programming to see if you like it. The benefit of this is that writing a small weapons mutator is way more interesting than some dull file processing program.
One thing that this type of person needs to realise is that although most of the concepts available within Unreal Script are directly transferrable to other programming languages - the other languages and environments still need to be learned.
If you start learning to program with UnrealScript remember that it's only a start. There will be whole areas of programming discipline that you will miss out on. It's also well worth getting someone else to review the code you've used for your mod. This will help you not only clean up your programming style but also teach you new (and hopefully more efficient) ways of approaching a given problem.
And finally, if you do fall into this category the Recommended Reading section of the Making Mods page really is just that. Recommended.
I want to get my mod published
This is one of the most problematic reasons to be building a mod.
Statistically speaking, the ratio of working, widely accepted total conversions for FPS games (HL, UT in particular) to the number of ideas out there is very low. There are maybe 10 HL "large mods" (e.g. DoD, CS, etc.) which have been widely popular, and even fewer UT mods (I can think of only 1 off the top of my head, which is TacOps).
In fact, simply by making a game modification under a EULA and not a professional license, you put yourself in a very strange place to try and get something published. You are essentially developing new content for a published game for free. The basics of your game are inherently owned by someone else. This would be something like trying to build your dream house on someone else's land.
That is not to say mod work won't help you get a job. In fact, many industry professionals began in the mod community. There is a lot of blending between the amateur and professional communities these days. Still, the game industry is relatively small compared to its audience - and that includes modders. If you are working on a mod because you want this to be your profession - you should realize that just releasing one whiz bang thing isn't going to get you a contract. Your best bet is to be passionate and professional about what you're doing - just like an employer would want to see.
So if you are working on a mod to get a job be aware that it's not a guaranteed way into the industry. By all means hold to that goal. If you put enough work in you will most likely succeed eventually. However it's better that you work on a mod because you enjoy it.
Nuleo: Oh come on now. We all know you just want to eliminate the competition for the Make Something Unreal Contest ;D I mean half of the people who worked on UT were once modders themselves. Ok, so if you are just making a minor modification like a mutator something than you won't be the star of the next Gaming Conference but what better way to demonstrate to game companies that you are capable of producing high quality content than by making a mod (preferrably a Total Conversion). And anyway, what else are you going to do short of be related to the CEO, show them you're degree? LOL.
RegularX: It's the last sentence that's most pertinent. There are lots of talented people in the mod community - but there are only so many jobs out there. When mod teams go into a project thinking "we're going to make a bushel of money" (and slowly, they are actually starting to think just that) they generally end up a) worrying about a lot of things completely unrelated to modding (ie lawyers), b) worrying about making a mod that they think will be popular/marketable - not necessarily new and fun or innovative, and most of all c) fail.
Bottom line - I've worked with some people who were completely professional/perfectionists/etc - and they undoubtably have some good stuff in their portfolio by the end of the day. But that's not why they were making stuff...
Nuleo: Well everyone does things because they enjoy it, and if not than thats unfortunate. And if you can make money doing what you enjoy than thats even better. I suppose its a matter of opinion and up to each individual "Why I am making a mod" and we just have different opinions. If you are just making a mod for yourself, some friends, and maybe a few other people to play than yeah, don't expect publicity or money. But if you think you have the skills and the talent (and the people) to make a truly compelling experience than you should go for broke (again, I am refering to total conversions not small modifications). From my personal experience, mods don't "fail" because people expect too much but because they expect too little of themselves; They don't take the mod seriously or they make the excuses such as "I don't have enough time" or they can't handle focusing and working hard for the long haul and I guess for some its the get rich quick thing but I think you have to be pretty out of it to believe you are going to make any huge amount of money from a mod in and of itself. My advice to modders - Keep your feet on the ground but Aim High :D
Wormbo: "And if you can make money doing what you enjoy than thats even better." <- But not with UT2003. (Words like "EULA" come to mind...) You can have a lot of publicity without even expecting it, btw.
Foxpaw: That is true, but a mod can also go commercial if it's popular enough - like counterstrike, tactical ops, or team fortress 2. (I've actually never seen that one in stores, so maybe it got cancelled.) Also there's money to be made in the MSU contest plus if you take the top prize you can make a commercial version of your mod. So I wouldn't say that it's not possible to make money using UT2003.
RegularX: TF2 was never a mod - but a commercial sequel, the TF team was swallowed up with Half-Life. But you could count Team Fortress, Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Gunman Chronicles, and Tac Ops. Rumors are floating that Natural Selection will go pro as well. So that's six mods out of literally hundreds of projects, and most of them due to Valve's desire to keep the Half-Life engine selling past it's expiration date. Then you could factor in all the individuals who have gotten jobs (ie Epic).
Sure it's certainly beneficial to getting into the industry - but that's not the point. It's the wrong end to be starting from. Talented people with a passion for these things are most likely to get a job, whether they join a mod team or not. People who are scrambling to put code and maps together because they think that they will have the next Counter-Strike and see their game in stores, are (imho) doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons and as Wormbo pointed out - with the wrong license.
I think the MSUC is walking a fine line between trying to reward mod projects for doing really creative work and trying to get modsters to think about being marketable. I think it's a great thing, and I love seeing more people get involved in the process - but my guess is that come March 15th, you'll suddenly see a bunch of people magically lose interest in building mod content when they don't have a license to win for anymore. And that's what I mean by the wrong reasons.
Foxpaw: I realize that TF2 was never a mod, but what I meant was, making the free mod generated the community that TF2 was going to be marketed to - so that's the commercial connection. I agree that the majority of mod projects won't ever end up making any money. Heck, most mod projects don't even make it to beta stage. I just think that it's inaccurate to say that you can't make money at all doing it.
Lilguy: I think the last paragraph about making mods for money needs to be renamed/re-thought, perhaps to "I want to get my mod published" First of all, a distinction needs to be made between making a mod with hopes that it will go commercial, and making a mod with hopes that a developer will take notice of your talent and hire you to work on some other game. While the first may be wishful thinking, the second is hands-down the best way to get into the industry ? I'm living proof of that. My Apprehension mod hasn't been released yet, but I was still made an offer from Ravensoft after showing them my code (and of course, my CS degree)
I think it's sort of an elitist attitude that people shouldn't want to make money by modding ? it's OK to want to make your favorite hobby into a carreer. I do agree that making mods that aim to be marketable is a problem, but it's a problem that exists in the industry itself, and can't really be blamed on a contest.
RegularX: I would agree with your edit suggestion - it makes a more clear distinction between trying to make money by creating a quasi-commercial game and trying to break into the industry by padding your portfolio. I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with showing off good work to professionals in the hopes of getting hired. As for the MSUC, I don't blame it for creating the atmosphere (I lay that at Valve's feet) - but I do blame it for encouraging it. About half way through - Epic paid close attention to marketable mods and got a bit myopic (imho). I had entered the contest hoping to get some quality feedback from professionals, and mostly what I got was "why don't you get custom models?" When I asked about altered models for entry into MSUC, the response I got was "Yes, that's OK - but you know you can't box it like that." At this point I'm thinking there needs to be a distinction made between trying to mod an engine and trying to setup a development studio without paying for a license.
And I'm not btw, saying that Epic are nothing but greedy bastards trying desperately to churn out a Counter-Strike to be like Valve. Like I've said, I have pretty mixed feelings about MSUC. Overall, I think it was great and the community got some awesome, high quality mods and UT2004 got the attention it deserves for being a moddable engine.
EntropicLqd: If you are not happy with the page then change it. It was written at a time (seems an age ago tbh) where there were many many people trying to put mod teams together that were simply setting themselves up to fail - and destroy whatever enthusiasm they had for modding in the process. Things seem to have calmed down a bit - although to be fair I've been out of the modding scene for over a year now so I don't really know. To be honest it's nice to see the pages in the Making Mods section getting a bit of attention.
RegularX: Fine, fine. I took a stab at it. I didn't write the original, but I tried to blend what I think was the original intent with a positive vibe on doing good work to get a good job.
EntropicLqd:Further tweaked.
Lilguy: Thanks guys, very nice work :) -
Seid ihr beide ein wenig komisch?
Es ist illegal Texte von fremden Seiten zu kopieren!
F?r gew?hnlich werden Zitate aber geduldet. Wobei mit Zitaten ein bis drei S?tze gemeint sind und nicht mehr! -
vielleicht h?tte ich den treadt nicht eure ideen sind gefragt nennen sollen kann ich das noch auf eure meinungen sind gefragt ?ndern
ansonsten ist es echt toll das hier alles von zitaten zu geflamt ist=) -
tomsen-sunrise schrieb:
vielleicht h?tte ich den treadt nicht eure ideen sind gefragt nennen sollen kann ich das noch auf eure meinungen sind gefragt ?ndern
ansonsten ist es echt toll das hier alles von zitaten zu geflamt ist=)
Also, nochmal zum Mitschreiben:
Falls du ein eigenes machen m?chtest, melde dich in nem Jahr nochmal.
Falls du unsere Meinungen h?ren m?chtest, kann dieser Thread auch gleich wieder geclosed werden, wei es schon an die Hundert gibt... -
also ich hatte nie auch nur den hauch einer idee eines zu schreiben sondern wollte nur wissen, was ihr von browsergames haltet.....so von wegen interaktivit?t und so und dann werd ich immer von 10 leuten gleichzeitig zugeflamt
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Seid ihr beide ein wenig komisch?
Es ist illegal Texte von fremden Seiten zu kopieren!
F?r gew?hnlich werden Zitate aber geduldet. Wobei mit Zitaten ein bis drei S?tze gemeint sind und nicht mehr!
Lucas, ist es nicht. Wir machen damit keinen Kommerz und es ist auf der Seite jedenfalls ausdr?cklich erlaubt das zu quoten. Bin zwar nicht der Verfasser "des" TExtes, aber anderer Schriften auf jener Website. -
H?hrt endlich auf damit!!!!!!!!
ich wollte eine Meinung ?ber Browser Games und nicht einen v?llig zugespammten Thread...und immer noch keine antwort...k?nnt ihr eure probleme nicht wo anders Regeln
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OK: Zum Thema: FInd sie gut, solange sie gut gemacht sind. Da es aber Browser Games wie Sand am Meer gibt, musst du schon was wirklich gutes haben oder am besten gleich f?r internationales Publikum eins erstellen. Die meisten der deutschen Games kotzen mich ehrlich an. Logikfehler und vor allem Usability Grausamkeiten.
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ich find scherbenwelten ist echt schlecht gemacht einer aus meiner klasse spielt das der hat mir das mal gezeigt und dann war ich wirklich ?belst entt?uscht aber es gibt ja auch gute browsergames....
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Au?erdem steh ich ?belst auf mittelalter und fantasieechtzeit....so bin ich auf die idee gekommen man k?nnte ja ein neues browsergame entwerfen
......aber so richtig f?llt mir nichts ein nat?rlich soll es kostenlos sein...aber es soll auch f?r leute die nciht gerne echtzeitstrategie spielen interesant wirken
du hattest nie die idee eins zu machen?
to topic: naja, ich hab erst ein paar browsergames ausprobiert, einige sind mies, andere recht unterhaltsam und kurzweilig... an sich finde ich das genre gut, weils auch auf meinem rechner l?uft ;) -
ich spiel als browsergame ( BG ) im moment auch sehr erfolgreich :
www.freewar.de ( welt 4 )
www.inselkampf.de ( server 7 )
meldet euch bei mit hab noch pl?tze in der allianz / clan frei einfach bei Tak3r melden ( ich bin nicht der WC3 spieler -
Am anfang hab ich mir gedacht "O gott... wasn das f?r ne ka**e?" Aber mitlerweile find ich sowas ganz lustig. ^^ Vor allem sind se eine supi alternative wenn man im Urlaub ist... einfach ins inetcafee und was Ogame zoggen oder so. lol
www.ogame.de
lucas9991 schrieb:
Seid ihr beide ein wenig komisch?
Es ist illegal Texte von fremden Seiten zu kopieren!
F?r gew?hnlich werden Zitate aber geduldet. Wobei mit Zitaten ein bis drei S?tze gemeint sind und nicht mehr!
Mag ja sein, aber hast du schonmal die Texte von mehreren Homepages im Impressum oder Discmailer durchgelesen? Da gleicht doch ein Text dem anderen... au?erdem gibt es tatshaftig Standarttexte, die JEDER benutzen darf. -
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